Aviary 1.0 Parties

That’s right, folks – we’re close to the release of Firefox and Thunderbird 1.0 and, just like our last 1.0 release, we want to organise worldwide parties to celebrate.

Thanks to Dominik ‘Aeneas’ Schnitzer, we have an all-new and improved Mozilla Party Webtool 2.0. You can create your own party, or sign up for one already in progress – and, in an improvement on Webtool 1.0, organisers can now edit and update party details. The tool allows you to organise a celebration in any of 243 countries, principalities, dominions and islands around the world. Never let it be said that we do things by halves around here.

I can exclusively reveal that the weekend of the 19th-21st of November has been chosen as Party Time. That’s after the currently-planned release date for Firefox 1.0 – the 9th – and allows for a little slippage too, without crashing into some American thing called “Thanksgiving”. (Well, we have to humour them.) So if you want to feel part of the global collective, pick a date in that weekend.

The Mozilla Foundation isn’t organising a big public party, so those of you in San Francisco have an opportunity to join the rest of the world and roll your own this time around. And I’m not organising the London party, so there’s at least one more vacancy.

What are you waiting for? Get organising! :-)

71 thoughts on “Aviary 1.0 Parties

  1. Why is the UK in between Gabon and Grenada? It took me ages to find it.

    It is being listed in the position of Great Britain, even if it is labelled as UK.

  2. Right, gotcha. So does that include Northern Ireland or not? The label (UK) would suggest it does but the actual value is Great Britain which would suggest it doesn’t.

  3. Well, i’ve waited for someone else to notice and post about it but, seeing that noone else has, i will!

    Hasn’t anyone else at Mozilla.org thought that “9/11″ is not *really* the sort of Firefox release date that will get *total* uninterrupted press coverage?

    Just a thought, eh?

  4. In most of the world apart from america it’s day/month so it will by the 9th of november or 9/11.
    11th of september has for a long time always been 11/9

  5. It would seem that the sorting is by ISO country code. The ISO code for Germany (aka Deutschland) is “de”, for the UK (aka Great Britain) is “gb”. Did you notice that Switzerland is sorted under “ch”?

    (google for “iso country codes” to see a complete list – note that there are two standards, a 2-char code and a 3-char code)

  6. Since when is Thanksgiving just “some American thing”? Perhaps someone should read a history book.

  7. where did this whole silly 9/11 thing come from?

    ok, so the roadmap release date is 09/11/04 for much of the world. Following that logic, doesn’t that mean those using that format should call “That Day”, “Eleven-Nine”?

    Sounds like “politically correct” muck. seriously, given the odds the release will actually occur late as usual, i say, “get over it!”

    However, I CAN appreciate the irony, given that my birthday is april 20…

    anxiously awaiting the 1.0 REALease…

  8. I’ve used Mozilla/Firefox as my primary browser most of this year, and been extremely happy. I mean, every now and then I need to go use that OTHER browser, just to test out my site.

    Unfortunately, I just made the move from FF0.8 to FF1Prev, and it crashes a few times a day — something I just can’t have happening since I typically have maybe a doz windows or tabs open… I’m looking forward to a more stable/finished release build ahead — for now, I’m dropping back to an older Mozilla build for major daily work.

    Keep up the faith!

    -d

  9. Although I am still sticking with the Suite for now (once Firefox/Thundbird are better integrated, I will make the switch), I am looking forward to the official release of these two fine products. Everyone I have gotten to make the transition to Mozilla has gone with Firefox & Thunderbird.

    All my “people” are using the 1.0PR with no problems at all. In fact, my son has been using FF since 0.8 and it has been a dream. I find that the browser crashes are due to clashes between extensions.

    Congratulations, Mozilla!! I look forward to what you guys will be bringing us in the future and I will do my best to add to the ranks!!

  10. Have been using FF way before it was such a fox to use. I have never had a problem and the FFprv has not crashed once on my PC or my preferred MACS. Great work and a great browser, beats that microsoft “e” hands down, every time.

    Looking forward to continual debate about 9/11/9 and more to the turnout of the full FF!

  11. OK, I’ve downloaded the trial version of Firefox. Now I read here that the new preview is prone to crashing. I can’t handle a browser that crashes…and I’m tired of Internet Exploder. Should I install it?

    Re: “The Day”… it is generally accepted that the proper format for month, day and year is just that… MM/DD/YY. That would definitely make the proper notation…. 9/11/…or September 11th.

  12. Since when is Thanksgiving just “some American thing”? Perhaps someone should read a history book.

    As I remember my history, Thanksgiving originated with the Pilgrims giving thanks for a particularly good harvest just after they arrived in what was to become the USA. Which is all very nice, but you shouldn’t expect the rest of the world to care overly much :-)

  13. while i like that the nuts ‘n’ bolts goal for Mozilla, specifically Firefox/Thunderbird, seems to simply be a solid secure application. and i’m personally 100% sold on the work being done. (wait, “sold” on open-source? there’s a tagline for ya…)

    i can’t help but drop a bit of reality in the mix that it should be stated that there’s little motivation beyond an individual basis to “migrate” (for lack of a better, non-commmercial, word) to the offerings of the Mozilla project. it’s getting close to be sure, but if I were to desire to implement (there’s that vocabulary again) Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird, i’d be in for some real challenges.

    Anyone care to comment? Expecially if you can relate your experiences.

  14. it is generally accepted that the proper format for month, day and year is just that… MM/DD/YY

    “Generally accepted”? Hah! You mean, if you don’t pay attention to anywhere outside the 50 states of the USA, it might be. Here in Europe, we use DD/MM/YYYY, and the ISO international standard (used around the Mozilla project generally) is YYYY-MM-DD.

    Gerv

  15. Hazzi, “Germany” _does_ start with a “D” – in German, or to put it another way, in der deutschen Sprache.

  16. it is generally accepted that the proper format for month, day and year is just that… MM/DD/YY

    This sort of nonsense always made me laugh. I mean DD/MM/YY or YY/MM/DD both make sense (depending on whether you’re putting the most or least important digits first), but of course the good ol’ US of A has to be different, being unable to learn English or invent their own language, unable to see that banning handguns might possibly be a good idea (oh, but my wonderful constitution… [managed to get rid of prohibibition, eh? Granted it did take 15 years or so, but better late than never]), unable to follow UN mandates, the Kyoto accords, etc, etc. Do like the arrogance of ‘generally accepted’ though.

    As I remember my history, Thanksgiving originated with the Pilgrims giving thanks for a particularly good harvest just after they arrived in what was to become the USA. Which is all very nice, but you shouldn’t expect the rest of the world to care overly much :-)

    Um, quite. I believe there was some thanksgiving to the Indians in there somewhere. Bet they celebrate thanksgiving on their ‘reservations’ too.

    Oh, by the way, feel free to flame me for being anti-American, a supressor of the flame of freedom , etc, etc.

  17. WOW! I must confess I am American and also a Christian. The hacking for Christ is expected but I was surprised to see the hate expressed on a message board to celebrate the Release of Firefox. Well despite the fact that I like Firefox I am putting it to the side now that I see the real colors that fly behind the Internet scene. May God bless you and have mercy on you. I wish you well in the Lord!

  18. You choose your web browser based on the public comments expressed by a random few rather than technical merits? God bless you!

  19. Sounds to me that somebody might be a wee bit jealous.

    “but of course the good ol’ US of A has to be different”
    But, of course. That’s why we are the good ol’ US of A and not the good ol’ US of England, or Great Britain, or United Kingdom, or European Union, or whatever the heck they are over there.

    “banning handguns might possibly be a good idea”
    Yea, just like Volstead thought prohibition would reduce crime. Does this person think hand guns cause crime or creates criminals?

    “unable to follow UN mandates, the Kyoto accords, etc, etc”
    That’s why we are leaders, not followers.

  20. I am a US citizen, and I am also probably one of the few currently using the YY/MM/DD format for most stuff (some stuff requires the MM/DD/YY format). I am in the process of switching to the DD/MM/YY format. :)

    Why does the USA not conform to internationally-accepted standards? It was attempted, but it failed. The US gives up too soon. Nearly the entire world, if not the entire world except the USA already, is using the metric system, but the US is still stuck using the “standards”, or English, system . . .

    [quote]
    Why does the USA not conform to internationally-accepted standards?
    [/quote]

    Hey! Maybe that is where Microsoft gets that idea . . .

  21. Let’s get it strait people. You may make fun of the U.S. for whatever childish reasons you can conjure up. You may think you’re all so elite and sophisicated. You can spread your holier-than-thou rethoric. You may malign and put down the United States of America for whatever reasons you want. You may even do it while you are in the United States. But, can you critize and critiqe your own countries while you are in those respective countries? Most of you would have to lie or answer no. And who do you come to for help when your respective countries are out of money or food or when some oppressor is knocking at your country’s door? Perhaps most of you young pups are either too young to remember or have forgotten. Well let me tell you. It’s the United States of America! With our different measuring system, our different form of government, which allows true freedoms, and our different way of expressing dates, etc. That’s right. The very country and it’s people that you take so much delight in making fun of is the very country and the very people that you all come to for help when you and your countries fall your respective asses or some other country is kicking your asses. WE. The American People and America herself has been bailing out Europe and the rest of the world for over 60 years. We’ve paid UN dues for those of you whose countries couldn’t pay. We’ve made loans and forgiven those loans to most of your respective countries. WE have come together with your countries and your people with relief and help whenever and wherever help was needed. And for whatever reason. And how many times have WE needed help and had you and your countries run for cover. Huh? How many times have WE gotten help from “you people”? Huh? I can count on one hand the number of times we have received help. Save for Mother England herself, “God Save The Queen”, and a couple of other countries. I, for one, am sick and tired and fed up with other countries and those respective peoples tell US, WE should change. WE should do things like the rest of the world. Well. Perhaps we should. Then we could be like the rest of you. Broke. Unable to defend ourselves or anyone else. We could be just another run-of-the-mill country with questionable very limited freedoms. Yes WE are different here in the United States. This great and wonderful country is not perfect. But…WE must be doing a lot of things correctly to be where we are in the world. Remember, the next time you want to poke fun at US. WE are the most powerful and productive nation on earth. WE are the most helpful, forgiving, and benevolant nation on earth. WE, The United State of America and her people, have done more for more nations and more people around this earth than any other nation on this earth. Yes. We’ve made mistakes. WE are not a perfect society. But. Most of you ungrateful elitest snobs owe US, read that the U.S., your and your country’s very existance. Oh, did I mention we enjoy more freedom and freedoms here than any other country on earth? Well, WE do. I pray to God On High that WE can continue to do things the American Way and continue to be the greatest, strongest, most productive, most forgiving, most helpful nation and people on earth. Thank You. And the next time you need help………Call France. See what that will get you.

  22. Let’s get it strait people.
    Did you know that, according to research, USA is the most gay country in the world?

    You may make fun of the U.S. for whatever childish reasons you can conjure up.
    That is the kind of arrogant attitude that make so many hate the USA. Whenever you get critizised, you just blow it off.

    You may think you’re all so elite and sophisicated. You can spread your holier-than-thou rethoric.
    Did you actually read your own nationalistic posting?

    You may malign and put down the United States of America for whatever reasons you want. You may even do it while you are in the United States. But, can you critize and critiqe your own countries while you are in those respective countries?
    Certainly. In my european country it is socially accepted to have any political view including, but not limited to, far left communism and far right captialism. Few people talk about religion as it is a personal matter. In USA you are considered a phreak if you don’t belive in God (and that is not just any god, but the christian god). Most people acutally critizise the government.

    Most of you would have to lie or answer no.
    What do you know about this? Have you ever been here? Have you ever been outside your federation?

    And who do you come to for help when your respective countries are out of money or food or when some oppressor is knocking at your country’s door?
    If we run out of money or food you will come and save us by lending us money you don’t have to buy your overpriced food (which you are so careful to not produce too much of to keep the prices high – think of all the grain you burn every year).

    Since we have oil in our country I guess some cowboy president of yours will claim we have weapons of mass destruction and bomb half our country dead and compose a government (that has no support by the people what so ever) of his own.

    Perhaps most of you young pups are either too young to remember or have forgotten. Well let me tell you. It’s the United States of America!
    I guess the USA once was a wonderful country back when it was made up of people who moved there from the rest of the world.

    With our different measuring system, our different form of government, which allows true freedoms, and our different way of expressing dates, etc.
    What freedom is there in a two-party system (where you can choose between right-wing and far right-wing)? The rest of the world belive in democracy!

    Your way of expressing dates is just a big mess and leads to nothing but confusion. We DO have international standards, and standards are a good thing in communication.

    That’s right. The very country and it’s people that you take so much delight in making fun of is the very country and the very people that you all come to for help when you and your countries fall your respective asses or some other country is kicking your asses.
    False claim. Mention JUST ONE country who actually have wanted your “help” the last fifty years. Don’t you think it is kind of strange that nobody have ever said “thank youo for your kindness”?

    WE. The American People and America herself has been bailing out Europe and the rest of the world for over 60 years.
    YOU. The American People and America herself has forced their own misguided beliefs on Europe and the rest of the world for over 60 years.

    We’ve paid UN dues for those of you whose countries couldn’t pay.
    You have not even paid your own UN dues for many years. You are just ignorant.

    We’ve made loans and forgiven those loans to most of your respective countries.
    You have made back the loans many times what you lent out on the forced trade with those countries.

    WE have come together with your countries and your people with relief and help whenever and wherever help was needed. And for whatever reason.
    No! YOU came with “relief and help” and bombed us all to hell. If there was no reason, you made up one.

    And how many times have WE needed help and had you and your countries run for cover. Huh? How many times have WE gotten help from “you people”? Huh? I can count on one hand the number of times we have received help. Save for Mother England herself, “God Save The Queen”, and a couple of other countries.
    You are the only country playing “World Police” where nobody but you are allowed to have nuclear, biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction. You don’t need help because whenever you see a threat you just bomb it to hell. And by threat that is a government or group of people with another ideology than yours.

    I, for one, am sick and tired and fed up with other countries and those respective peoples tell US, WE should change.
    You don’t get a hint do you? Is it strange that half of the world hates you and the other half dislikes you?

    WE should do things like the rest of the world. Well. Perhaps we should. Then we could be like the rest of you.
    Please do so!

    Broke. Unable to defend ourselves or anyone else. We could be just another run-of-the-mill country with questionable very limited freedoms.
    Happy. Able to not be terrified of the next terrorist attack or an american bomb. You could be another happy country with all the freedoms to live a happy life.

    Yes WE are different here in the United States. This great and wonderful country is not perfect.
    It is probably not to late to change.

    But…WE must be doing a lot of things correctly to be where we are in the world.br>
    Yes, you make good bombs and guns.

    Remember, the next time you want to poke fun at US. WE are the most powerful and productive nation on earth.
    And you don’t spend a though of the consequenses of showing how powerful you are. Hail you for you are so big and strong.

    WE are the most helpful, forgiving, and benevolant nation on earth. WE, The United State of America and her people, have done more for more nations and more people around this earth than any other nation on this earth.
    Yes, like giving the Taliban stinger missiles and training from CIA agents. Thank you very much! How many have actually wanted your help??

    Yes. We’ve made mistakes. WE are not a perfect society. But. Most of you ungrateful elitest snobs owe US, read that the U.S., your and your country’s very existance.
    Yes, you’ve done mistakes and the perfect society does not exist, but at least some of us still thrive to get there.

    b>Oh, did I mention we enjoy more freedom and freedoms here than any other country on earth? Well, WE do.
    I prefer not to be shot, have my dauther raped, my son on drugs and being able to use public transportation without getting mugged.

    I pray to God On High that WE can continue to do things the American Way and continue to be the greatest, strongest, most productive, most forgiving, most helpful nation and people on earth. Thank You. And the next time you need help………Call France. See what that will get you.
    France has with its Legion Etranger been the only nation with peacekeeping forces in african countries without oil. You only “help” countries with lots of natural resources so you can exploit them.

    “From the fury of the Americans deliver us, O Lord.”

  23. Let’s get it strait people. You may make fun of the U.S. for whatever childish reasons you can conjure up. You may think you’re all so elite and sophisicated. You can spread your holier-than-thou rethoric. You may malign and put down the United States of America for whatever reasons you want. You may even do it while you are in the United States. But, can you critize and critiqe your own countries while you are in those respective countries? Most of you would have to lie or answer no.

    Ok, I am swiss, and although I support my country for most things, I can also criticize it, we are to conservative, we are not open enough, we are perhaps a bit too cold, we have a very slow political system, we have four different cultures in our country.

    And who do you come to for help when your respective countries are out of money or food or when some oppressor is knocking at your country’s door?Perhaps most of you young pups are either too young to remember or have forgotten. Well let me tell you. It’s the United States of America! With our different measuring system, our different form of government, which allows true freedoms, and our different way of expressing dates, etc. That’s right. The very country and it’s people that you take so much delight in making fun of is the very country and the very people that you all come to for help when you and your countries fall your respective asses or some other country is kicking your asses. WE. The American People and America herself has been bailing out Europe and the rest of the world for over 60 years. We’ve paid UN dues for those of you whose countries couldn’t pay. We’ve made loans and forgiven those loans to most of your respective countries.

    Ok, very well (except that I don’t think that the US really helped switzerland, except for putting its money in swiss banks (for your own interest)), but please anwer me on one thing: “what about the US debt ? the biggest in the world ! !

    WE have come together with your countries and your people with relief and help whenever and wherever help was needed. And for whatever reason. And how many times have WE needed help and had you and your countries run for cover.

    Examples ? Pearl Harbour ? europe was allready in a war, so we couldn’t really help our friends the americans. 11/09 ?, euh sorry in your system it is 9/11, ok, we all agree that there is a threat, but why would we help you attack a country where we don’t think that there is any threat (and we are still waiting for the proof of the threat). What else can I think about ? Vietnam ? ok, but most people (in europe) thought that it was a lost cause.

    Huh? How many times have WE gotten help from “you people”? Huh? I can count on one hand the number of times we have received help. Save for Mother England herself, “God Save The Queen”, and a couple of other countries. I, for one, am sick and tired and fed up with other countries and those respective peoples tell US, WE should change. WE should do things like the rest of the world. Well. Perhaps we should.

    We don’t say that, we just say that there are a few thing’s that the US could easily change, without any major effort, for example it’s feeling of superiority (that you have, so kindly, given me a proof of).

    Then we could be like the rest of you. Broke. Unable to defend ourselves or anyone else. We could be just another run-of-the-mill country with questionable very limited freedoms. Yes WE are different here in the United States. This great and wonderful country is not perfect. But…WE must be doing a lot of things correctly to be where we are in the world. Remember, the next time you want to poke fun at US. WE are the most powerful and productive nation on earth.

    without forgetting that with that you also have one of the poorest social systems in occidental world.

    WE are the most helpful, forgiving, and benevolant nation on earth.

    I agree, killing Iraquis, putting argentina into bankruptcy (or nearly at least), …

    WE, The United State of America and her people, have done more for more nations and more people around this earth than any other nation on this earth.

    Yes, easy to say that, for a country who has involved itself into most countries, to either change the politicla system or to impose restrictions.

    Yes. We’ve made mistakes. WE are not a perfect society. But. Most of you ungrateful elitest snobs owe US, read that the U.S., your and your country’s very existance.

    Oh, I didn’t know that Switzerland owes the US its existence (it is true that you did say “most”)

    Oh, did I mention we enjoy more freedom and freedoms here than any other country on earth? Well, WE do.

    Yes, shure, you have a total control over your life, the politics, … what about the FBI ? I can’t say that they contribute to the freedom

    I pray to God On High that WE can continue to do things the American Way and continue to be the greatest, strongest, most productive, most forgiving, most helpful nation and people on earth. Thank You. And the next time you need help………Call France. See what that will get you

    Probably no war, probably some sort of peace treaty.

    Last of all, this is a place to speak about Mozilla and NOT US POLITICS

  24. I’ll have to say that the “Hacking for *Christ*” Title really *does* offend me, since I’m atheist (and proud of it). Probably it does offend people of other religions (Jews, Mohammedans etc.) as well. Choosing a non-religious title would’ve been far better!

    The other thing that does offend me is this arrogant American attitude once again. This is exactly the same attitude that got the US hated so much in many countries (especially the Far East). You harvest what you sew, dear Americans.

    Other than that – party hardy! :D

  25. OK, that’s enough.

    I’m not going to censor what’s been said, but it ends here. This has got completely out of hand – we started with a polite dig about dating schemes.

    Any further comments bashing Americans or blind pro-American pseudo-patriotism will be deleted. Americans need to realise that there’s a reason that people don’t like them (primarily their foreign policy of invading lots of other countries), and non-Americans need to realise that you can’t change an American’s thinking on these matters by being rude to them.

    I will address “Antichrist“‘s comment about the title of this blog. It has that title because that’s what I do. I’m not going to pretend my primary motivation is fun, reputation or anything else – it’s to bring glory to God.

    It’s interesting that you say you are “proud of being an atheist”. I’m not proud of being a Christian, because I know it’s nothing special about me – God chose me for his own reasons, before the world was even created. All I can do is thank him for it, and try and live as he commands, and use my talents for his glory (hence this blog). I have nothing to boast about or be proud of.

  26. reason that people don’t like them (primarily their foreign policy of invading lots of other countries)

    At least in the USA, people can buy the T-shirt to dissociate themselves from their militaristic leader.

    Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a corresponding product to address a similar need here in Ukogbani.

  27. Date format: Please be aware that under 5% of the world’s total population are using MM/DD/YY(YY). The rest of us are using DD/MM/YY(YY) or YY/MM/DD.

  28. You have to remember that Mozilla and its brethren are ‘standards’ based browsers, cut free from the browser fascism of Internet Explorer. It is about time that software developers understood international standards. In Europe we have a diverse bunch of countries and cultures, and even though we argue with each other and keep ancient grudges, we are proud of our diversity and realise that this respect for diversity is beneficial to ourselves and the rest of the world. Many free countries exist in the world, many of who started ‘democracy’ in the first place. Though some ‘new’ democracies may believe they have the right to change wrongs, one man’s ‘wrong’ is another man’s ‘right’… Thats what makes the world a more interesting place. I am British, and even though we as a nation have an ancient grudge with the French (spanish, germans and many others) we respect and admire the diversity of people and culture and do not wish to change them into our perceived ‘right’ ways. Maybe with these parties we can see the diversity of the world and learn to respect it more for what it is, and not what it isn’t.

    P.s. DD/MM/YY or YY/MM/DD make more sense, due them being in order. Imagine trying to express 378 in order of tens, units, hundreds?!

  29. Holy Cow! (sorry, India) What happened? All I did was express an opinion on the date format and got flamed all to hell. You people in other countries are a bit touchy, if not downright rude! I’ll write the date however the hell I want to. Certainly not YOUR way! You forget that our military format is DD/MM/YY… not MM/DD/YY. Does that blow your mind too? We actually have two ways to express the date in the USA. Oh, my God! What will we do? This will surely throw you into uncontrolled chaos!

    One other thing… In this country, I can say anything I want to about the government, the president (who I’m going to try to vote out!) and I can openly criticise anyone I want. I can also say that I think it was a mistake to get involved in this “War”. Someone mentioned our huge national debt. Realize that when Bill Clinton left office, we had a balanced budget. In less tha 4 years, Bush has us in debt up to our eyebrows. I can say that too! We also pay government taxes here. But I’ll be damned if we have to be taxed for “Royalty” to support a royal family that is nothing more than an inbred farce. I came here to find out about Mozilla’s browser…and what do I find? Religion, hate and arrogance. Not a friendly place at all!

  30. I came here to find out about Mozilla’s browser…and what do I find? Religion, hate and arrogance. Not a friendly place at all!

    I can only apologise for the hate and arrogance, and say that I have no control over who posts to this blog. It’s a tough decision deciding whether to delete posts or not; I’ve only done so once in the past, and that was for gratuitious profanity.

    As for religion, it’s sad that you associate it in blanket fashion with “not friendly”. My church is one of the friendliest places I’ve ever been. And Jesus is “the friend who sticks closer than a brother”. In a world full of loneliness, Jesus not only offers salvation, but a relationship with someone utterly dependable and infinitely loving.

  31. As a United Statesian (after all there’s more to “America” than the US) I just want to say: We aren’t all like “proudamerican.”

    In fact, I hate being associated with his ilk.

    I try to use dd-month-yyyy (I have to spell out the month so as not to confuse people, though); I’d like for us to go metric (there was a push once but it failed, we do give up too easily around here); I wish we had more than two “real” parties from which to choose (there are others, but they are unlikely ever to matter, unfortunately); I think we should be good world “citizens” and not world “enforcers”; and, when travelling, I am ashamed to admit to being from the US when I see how the majority of “US” behave.

    I didn’t vote for Bush, but I will vote for Firefox on 9-Nov :-)

  32. DD/MM/YY or YY/MM/DD make more sense, due them being in order

    For those who don’t get it, it is alphabetically in order.

    As for “proudamerican”:
    Upon what dost thou base thy opinions? Take note that I am an American, and I do my very best to conform to international standards. I prefer to use the metric system and the two international date formats. Why do our nation’s leaders not begin the movement to make the change? Does our country not have what it takes to make the switch? If we were not strong enough, how is it that we were able to survive so long during the Revolutionary War before other nations, mainly France to whom we owe some gratitude still, came to our aid? When Pearl Harbor was bombed, how is it that we were able to bring ourselves to drop bombs that killed, injured, or emotionally scarred hundreds of thousands of people on innocent lands in Japan? If we were not strong enough, why did we force the Cherokee Native Americans, a great people also known as the Cherokee “Indians” which is incorrect, to walk the Trail of Tears? All of these actions were out of fear. The Revolutionary War was caused by a fear that Britain would rob us of our money. The attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were caused by a fear that Japan would kill us all. The Trail of Tears was caused by a fear that the Cherokees would join with other Native American tribes and villages and conquer our peoples. They were a peaceful people.

    So why don’t we switch? The answer is simple: We are weak and afraid. Just as the nation was afraid to outlaw slavery. Just as the nation was too weak to prevent our Civil War. The nation had been the United States of America for over 100 years, yet the Southern states seceded from the Union because the government waited too long to outlaw slavery. Nearly all other nations had outlawed slavery long before our Civil War, so does that mean we are slow as well? Considering the fact that we still use the English system of measurement when the English, if I may refer to them as such, have already switched to the metric system, I would have to say we, in fact, ARE slow!
    The USA needs to commence the preparations to make changes NOW! And it all starts with the youths of our nation. When I get older, as I am a number of years under the age of 18, I will become a Web design teacher. I will teach the W3C standards, do my best to make sure the school uses the best standards-conforming browser at the time, and make sure that my students use the YYYY-MM-DD or DD/MM/YY(YY) format.

    Think of it this way: my date of birth in the US is 12-08 (MM-DD), but in many other nations, it is 08-12 (DD-MM). To a US citizen such as myself, the latter is August 12. To a citizen of another nation, the former is August 12. With the USA not conforming, it can be hard to tell when a Web page was last updated if they use a similar format and you do not know whether the author(s) is/are outside the US or whether he/she/they are US citizens.

    I support my nation, but I believe our government should just switch to international standards. This of course will not happen for another twenty (20) years at least, if it ever happens!

  33. I say: BURN ALL THE AQUA-COLORED PEOPLE AND THEIR DD/YY/MM FORMATTING!!! DIE AQUAS!!!

    I love how all you bashers (US, UK, Martian) claim diversity and are stabbing each other in the back in the same breath. Just beautiful!

    I suggest you just, well, STFU, while (you think) you’re ahead. By all means, if you feel compelled, spout off some more and thus keep reminding us how blisslessly ignorant you are. Please. It does make for quite an pointless entertaining excercise. Like fireworks on the 7th of June.

    BTW, screw democracy. Look it up! Majority rules?! No thanks!

    All Hail Mozilla!

    ~Peace~

  34. Well, arielb… You’re right! I innocently made a comment about date format used in the USA and got flamed. I also asked a question about the browser, which was overshadowed by hate mail to me about the USA. I never got an answer to my question. But, I did learn about how hated Americans are here. Funny, I live in Florida and there is never a shortage of Europeans taking holiday here. Especially Brits. They seem to hate us….but they love Mickey Mouse! Disney World loves those bean eaters. Please, keep coming to the greatest country in the world…and be sure to spend lots of money! Then go back home to your mutton and blood pie while I enjoy a steak without getting Mad Cow Disease. Oh, I almost forgot… When are you Brits going to get some kind of dental plan?

    Now, back to my unanswered question… I just downloaded the latest version of Firefox, but I see some talk of it being unstable and prone to crashing. Are others experiencing this? I don’t need a browser that crashes. Maybe another American will get on here and tell me without discrediting my country.

    Have a nice 10/14/04 !

  35. Wow, you guys are sure something. A heated debate on a mozilla chat board. Well, my turn…

    As a northern neighbour to the United States of America, and working for a certain companies telephone technical support servicing the US, I’ve come to see that most people in the US are in fact high on themselves. I’m sorry America, but it’s true. It’s nice to see that you’re all happy about your country, but America is NOT the best country to live in. Here’s why… You see, unlike Americans, Canadians get both American news and Canadian. It is plain and simple to see that you are misguided by your media. Remember how in the news it was said that Iraq was using the media to persuade the people that their country was winning the war? A similar thing happens with American media. In America the only news shown is pro-american, where as Canadian news is shown from an unbiased standpoint.

    Now as for America and it’s freedoms. Canada has never had prohibition, we have legalized gay marriages(no comment as to whether I’m for or against that) and legalizing marijuana is in the works. We have more “freedoms” then most other countries, including the US. Now, not only that, but our crime and murder rate figures are nothing compared to Americas. Why is that? Because people here are happy enough with our lives to not have the need or want to kill and steal. Oh, plus we aren’t scared of terrorists because we stay out of conflicts, so nobody has a reason to bother us!

    Oh, and I very much dislike what some Americans have done to people of other races. I have many black friends that I love like my own brothers and sisters. I can’t believe how that country could discriminate so harshly. That too is something you don’t see in Canada.

    Whenever I venture out of my country I wear my Canadian flag, because there’s been a few times where people have mistaken me for an american, and trust me, when you’re traveling abroad that’s not a good thing. Everyone is so rude because they hate americans. With my Canadian badge on my backpack though everybody is super friendly! Why? Because they love Canadians! When I was in the pearl bar in Sydney Aus, I had seven people I didn’t know buy me a beer. You don’t get that being American.

    If I’ve hurt anyones feelings, I’m sorry, there’s some nice things about America. You have some beautiful young ladies down there. Just get out of your hole you people! Try leaving your oh so great country and see the rest of the world. You’d be surprised to see that there’s many beautiful places to live that aren’t impoverished, that aren’t in threat of war, that aren’t full of predjudices of others, that aren’t dominated by a tyrant ruler!

    As for who you Americans should vote for, I don’t really care, as long as it’s not bush. Please for the sake of the world, get rid of bush! It’s like running a country is just a big game for him! Growing up he’s friends with the Bin Ladens, then there’s a family conflict, and he takes the whole country along for the ride? What kind of President puts his personal life ahead of the countries?

    So alright, I guess I got carried away too. What can I say, I’m canadian, I’m sorry! Let’s all just be friends…

  36. I agree with Jaxx! All American’s should move to Canada! Let me go pack. Will I need a jacket?

  37. all this date & political nonsense is proof positive that Mozilla may have saved the browser, but it couldn’t do jack for mankind…

    oh well.

    ~peace~

  38. I have had the good fortune to travel and live all over the world, and visit the US on many occasions. Most Americans of my acquaintance have struck me as being very decent, pleasant people. Unfortunately, they are also victims of their own success. Having everything, and being the most powerful country on the planet, they have not had to converse too much with the rest of the world. As an unfortunate result, institutionally, (although not individually) they have lost the ability.

    Unfortunately, the loudest defenders of American freedoms have the least grasp on actual history, and are least likely to have served there own country themselves.

    In terms of rescuing people: perhaps it needs to be remembered that the US entered the world war II only _after_ they themselves had been attacked (Pearl Harbour). I had not previously noticed the US weighing in against terrorists after, say, the Bader Meinhof gang in Germany, or the IRA in the UK (there staunch ally;) (in fact they funded a lot of IRA action).

    I like many Americans. I can’t say I like the current American administration. Here, I can say what I like about my government without being considered unpatriotic. How about that for freedom.

    Keep up the good work, Firefox. Perhaps the web will be the way of true open dialog and help us see the news for ourselves, one person at a time.

  39. Well, I’ll be interested to see a party in my neck of the woods (North-Western Europe).

    On the whole issue of politics: let me just remind everyone that the Statue of Liberty is actually a French lady now happily residing in the Big Apple.

    Reason enough, IMHO, to drop all of this ridiculous posturing and remember that beneath the different governments and religious we are all just human beings. And in favour of good internet software..

  40. First of all I am not flaming anyone, and I want to state that in perticular my grand parents were, since they are dead already, very thankfull that the Canadians, Poland, English and maybe even the Americans freed Holland in WWII.
    Why WWII? because this was the turning point in history between continents.
    First let’s get rid of a myth here, the USA was not the great freedom bringer in WWII, they planned to stay neutral and let Europe cleanup their own mess.
    A lot of Americans and even English people had sympathy for Hitler, mainly based on 18th and 19th century racial views.
    The americans got dragged in WWII by the attack on Pearl Harbor and werent even ready till after the Korean war.
    What Happened in ’45 is that the winners of war came back to the USA and started to rule the various companies that came to life during the war efford, paid with bonds (that were never paid back to the public as far as I know).
    This is also why in the American corporate life the managers have ranks like in the army, most of American’s corporate being (elite) is very closely linked to defence and inteligence.
    This also reflected on the general public and was very heavily and still is supported with a propaganda machine that would have made Goebels turn a red face.
    These leaders of the USA fought many wars since it’s birth, and most wars have been against people that lived on land that is called now the USA. Native americans, Africans, Prohibition, McCarthy, War on Drugs, Terrorism, etc…
    What I try to say is that the tostestoron levels are way too high to be good for Americans in the long run.
    In Europe where we in fact all lost the war, even the winners, we learned a few things and look at things more from a humble position and try to work from there.
    Here in Europe for instance Nationalism, which is also the real face of american patriotism is not considdered a good thing unlike the USA, and this is the main reason why Europeans clash with people from the USA.
    It fits several people from the USA to think first that their nationalism is mostly seen as very offending here in Europe.
    Try to be less proud at moments, there are a lot things bad too there, mainly your hatred for each other, if you people from the USA liked each other more then probably you would have taken care of healthcare and other important issues, but the problem is that a lot of you only want all for themselfs.
    Don’t get me wrong, I have many friends living in the USA and some agree with me some do not.
    Also I do not hate the country, it is too beautifull to hate, I do dislike unreasonable people and most people sitting on key positions in the USA administration(s) made their job being unreasonable towards anybody they think is not as powerfull as themselfs, they think winners can claim it all and kill off the non winners or less winners or losers.
    Anyway, I am not proud of our current government (stringed puppets) lead by the ever incompetent Balkenende.

    May God, Allah, Buddha, or who ever is your representative and teacher bless you all…

    Yaa101 Firefox user since 0.4 and extension programmer since 0.8

  41. Wow
    That was, well that was pretty much normal for the internet really. A few points.
    1) I live in Australia. I am deeply ashamed that John Howard and the Liberal/National Party coalition were recently re-elected. I am quite voacl about this.
    2) I don’t think Australia should be involved in any of the U.S’s aggressive foreign policies (read bullshit wars), but due to the fact that our own government is too pissweak to stand up and say, “Well you know what maybe we have enough friends in our own neck of the woods, why don’t we NOT be butt raped and walked over by some completely foreign power?”
    3) DD-MM-YYYY First of all, it is smallest unit of measurement to largest. Second of all: YYYY – did the hoopla over the millenium bug not teach anyone anything?
    4) WTF has any of this crap got to do with Firefox soon to be releasing 1.0?

  42. Dear People,

    CUT IT OUT.

    Glad you are all dealing with world issues and taking part in the global community an’ all but this really has nothing much to do with celebrating a fantastic piece of software engineering.

    Lots of people will come here who are interested in Firefox and wondering what kind of people created it – is the kind of talk that you have here going to encourage them?

    I have no problem with the site owners religious beliefs but the implication is that Firefox is somehow a ‘Christian Browser’ – clearly it is not a religious anything. It is a web browser. This seems an inappropriate place to evangelise to me, but hey I’m pretty sure many will disagree.

    Anyway waffling now. Great browser – fantastic browser – gets better everyday, lets party :-)

  43. 4) WTF has any of this crap got to do with Firefox soon to be releasing 1.0?

    Posted by: Detritus2099 at October 15, 2004 03:31 PM

    It has to do with Mozilla and the rest of the world being so tied up with their hatred for America that I can’t even get a technical question answered.

    You people in Europe need to realize that you can’t throw all Americans into one pile. We are not all in favor of the current administration’s aggressive posture. Someone mentioned France giving us the Statue of Liberty. That’s true. Do you know why they gave it to us? And, no. We aren’t particularly fond of France after they gave us the cold shoulder. If we hadn’t defended them during the war, they’d all be speaking German now! That’s gratitude for you!

  44. I have no problem with the site owners religious beliefs but the implication is that Firefox is somehow a ‘Christian Browser’…

    Who said it was? Certainly not me. I don’t think a bit of software can be a Christian.

  45. “I came here to find out about Mozilla’s browser…and what do I find? Religion, hate and arrogance. Not a friendly place at all!”

    And yet you felt the need to type the two huge paragraphs before that one about how great America is and how bad the royal family is?

    I’m British, I live in America, I can see the bad parts of both countries.

    England and America both need to be completely metric (England still uses miles for speeds/distances and lots of people use feet and inches for their height and pounds/stone for their weights). The date format in America (there should be only one) should be some ordered standard. The royal family in England should give up their titles, or at least begin working for a living. There shouldn’t be two political parties in America, or in fact any political parties anywhere. People who vote should be voting for the person they believe in, not a party that they maybe once agreed with.

    Most of all though, people should stop bickering with each other, making huge sweeping generalisations.

    Each nation has something to be proud of and something to be ashamed of, we could sit around arguing about them all year if we chose to, but that’s not what this is for and it certainly doesn’t get anyone anywhere since we’re not the people making those kind of decisions at the end of the day.

  46. 9/11: the name of the greatest german sports car, as firefox, the greatest browser …

  47. So many of the non-Americans like to point out that America did not enter WWII until after it was attacked at Perl Harbor. Remember it was the Japanese that attacked at Perl Harbor and America still went to war in Europe – and yes they did rescue a large part of Europe from the Nazis. Maybe not by themselves but they put forth a valiant effort that was not required.