Firefox 1.0.3 Security

Firefox 1.0.3 has been released. Before reading on, go download it!

We fixed nine security fixes, three of them critical. That’s a total of 29 separate issues which were deemed worthy of a write-up since the release of 1.0. So does this add some weight to the argument that previously, Firefox only seemed secure because no-one has bothered to attack it?

Frank Hecker made an important point about this issue very eloquently in an email to drivers, which I’m sure he won’t mind me quoting here:

Yes, Firefox is a lot more popular now and has a much higher
profile. Yes, a lot of smart hackers are working now to break Firefox.
And what a surprise: These hackers aren’t making life miserable for
Firefox users, they’re working with us to make Firefox more secure. Why
is that? Because we pay attention to security bug reports, we try to treat people who find and report security bugs with respect, we invite them to work closely with us, we reward them for finding bugs (both with money and with credit), and most important: we actually fix bugs in a timely manner as opposed to sitting on them and treating security as just a potential PR problem.

Absolutely.

13 thoughts on “Firefox 1.0.3 Security

  1. So true !

    The problem is not with bugs, there will always be some, the problem is that some companies take 6 months to just get around to start looking at the bug reports, let alone fixing them ….

  2. I don’t mind Gerv quoting my comments. I should point out that I don’t necessarily know what motivates the good folks who report Mozilla-related security bugs, and therefore I should have really written “Why is that? Maybe it’s because…” as opposed to simply assuming my interpretation of people’s motivations to be an established fact. (What can I say, it was a private email written in haste at 4 o’clock in the morning :-)

    However I will stand by my basic point: It’s a mistake to assume (as many journalists and others appear to do) that that Firefox is more secure only because it’s less popular, and that once millions of people use Firefox it will be no more secure than IE is perceived to be. “Security” is not a thing but a process, and an important part of that process is doing a good job of detecting and responding to potential security problems prior to their turning into real security problems.

    Despite minor quibbles here and there I think that the Mozilla project basically does a good job in this regard, certainly a better job than do many commercial software vendors. And because the project is relatively transparent to outside scrutiny (certainly much more transparent than is the case for proprietary software vendors) people can easily judge for themselves how well the project is doing.

  3. From a user perspective, a MS IE user perspective, Firefox seems more secure because the Windows machine does not become infected with so much spyware & viruses. I assume this is simply a feature of Active-X, no?

    This has no relation to reported security problems in the design and/or code of the program, nor it’s popularity. You might want to be checking if Firefox on Windows is inherently more secure then, say IE or Safari on OS X, or maybe Opera on Linspire. Or even IE on Windows with Active-X turned off.

  4. “Despite minor quibbles here and there I think that the Mozilla project basically does a good job in this regard, certainly a better job than do many commercial software vendors.”

    Actually, Firefox is commercial software. It is currently the basis for business endeavors (both developing Firefox code proper and building businesses on top of the functionality Firefox provides); . This is a feature of free software and open source software. Both movements recognize the value in allowing business to build on what has been distributed (but I know of no such resource to point to from the OSI that describes language the way the FSF document does, hence the links to the FSF’s site).

    I think by “commercial” you actually mean proprietary.

    Firefox is definately not proprietary software.

  5. As a guy who is working with both MoFo and Microsoft i can see no real difference in the way you too treat bugs…

    >> Why is that? Because we pay attention to security bug reports

    Definitly both of you do. You get responce in a matter of hours from both bugzilla security team and MSRC (Microsoft Security Response Center)

    >> we try to treat people who find and report security bugs with respect

    No question both of you are friendly and respectful to finders.

    >> we invite them to work closely with us

    Again both of you do

    >> we reward them for finding bugs (both with money and with credit)

    Microsoft gives credit but no money (for reasons i can understand). Anyway, 500$ is neither a competition to what a remote code execution bug is worth on the “black market” nor enough to pay the time of a programmere compared to the market value of an average daily rate. The money is a nice side effect but not the reason for my work.

    >> and most important: we actually fix bugs in a timely manner

    Yes, you do. But since 1.0 each firefox release suffered from real ugly regressions which is based (in my oppionion) on the way how fixes are created and reviewed. For some of my bugs a feature changing fix got created in a matter of hours, was reviewed by 5-7 people at best and then made it into the release version.

    With a user base of a few million people and being a “mission critical” application in only a few companies this type of “release policy” might work out, but if firefox is really becoming more and more popular than people will not tolerate that amount of regressions any more. Currently you are dealing mainly with early adaptors and people that shifted away from IE for whatever reason and are usually able to get back to IE if something is broken.

    >> as opposed to sitting on them and treating security as just a potential PR problem.

    Work with Microsoft and you will learn that they aren’t treating security as PR (any more) and that they are really concerned about regressions. I think exact those kind of thinking (“they just treat it as a PR problem”) leads to so many public disclosures and people just hate Microsoft for a bunch of reasons and like to bash on them in a public manner instead of working with them.

    Currently people love Firefox and consider you being “the good guys”. But please do me favour: Don’t believe this! Guys, it is just software! Not a western movie and not a religion. There are no good and bad guys. There are only programmers who try their best and users who want and deserve to be secure (and that is our job). Period.

    I am really curios to see what happens – in let’s say 2006 – when XULRunner is out, there are like 200.000 applications based on XULRunner and some of them are mission critical to fortune 500 companies. I doubt you will release a fix breaking parts of drag and drop in a matter of hours anymore…

    Michael

    P.S. I am not defending Microsoft – they do some wrong things and patches take defenitly too long – but don’t be too proud you kicked a fix out the door in couple hours. Project management rule #1: “Pick two of those: time, reliability, features”.

  6. “Firefox 1.0.3 has been released. Before reading on, go download it!”

    I guess you’re using the US English version then. :)

    As the poster above says in more detail, it’s nice to have these fixes out fast (although it took a couple of weeks), but at the same time we’re causing regressions, extensions/localisations are lagging behind, and it’s showing up the issues with the automatic update mechanism.

    There are limits to how long a favourable security comparison to IE on Windows 2000 or earlier can be our biggest “selling point”.

  7. Another point I forgot to make is that nightly build users are currently stuck with some of the security issues, because (apparently – I haven’t checked) the security fixes haven’t all made it into the trunk code.

  8. Victory? No, not victory. The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun, the Browser Wars has.

  9. Will patches be released for the any of the latest security fixes, or is the code changes just too broad for an XPI update? I’m thinking about 3rd party vendors who are using older versions and can’t upgrade at the moment.

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