More Evidence of the Need for a “Trusted Mozillians” Forum

The Internet storm-in-a-teacup surrounding Jono Xia’s post about his frustration with regard to the Firefox update system and UI changes (response from johnath) is another demonstration of why the Mozilla project needs a more-open-than-employees but less-open-than-public forum for people to talk, with entry gated on some form of “trusted” status.

We are a high-profile project, and everything we do is watched. This comes as an inevitable consequence of the fact that we changed the world once, and are lining up to do so again. I would much prefer this to irrelevance! However, in a situation where “public” is the only way a non-employee can communicate with the rest of the community, it has a dampening effect on our ability to converse freely.

Jono is a hard-working contributor and a great guy. He would clearly be one of those with this “trusted” status, were it to exist. And if there was a ‘trusted’ forum, he might well have chosen to express his frustration among his fellow Mozillians without the possibility of it appearing on Forbes, Reddit and HackerNews.

As a Mozillian blessed enough to be paid to work on Mozilla, I see the employees-only communications mechanisms (e.g. our Yammer instance, and the now-mostly-silent Intranet forums). They have been host to posts which are controversial like Jono’s, on other topics. For example, some people questioned our stance on H.264 (which subsequently changed), and the discussion may have included some choice words about the action or inaction of some of our partners. Can you imagine what would have happened if that had taken place in public? But a productive discussion was had, without attendant drama – but also without non-employed community members.

We need a forum for all our trusted contributors to communicate, question, and express their true feelings without their views becoming Internet famous.

Google Groups Fail

Unfortunately, for the last few months, we have not been able to hook up newly-created discussion forums to Google Groups. This means that they don’t have a method of posting over the web and they don’t have a web-based archive. (Existing groups continue to function as normal). This is bug 716007 (although note that that bug started off covering a different syncing issue). mburns writes in another bug:

Essentially, Google Groups’ codebase is at a state that new newsgroups need to manually be added by the (one?) engineer working on it. This is a low-to-not-gonna-happen level priority for them.

The underlying issue was supposed to be resolved in March, with a new rollout of the GG codebase, but wasn’t. I’ve emailed them about the ~17 other newsgroups created since than that have issues, without response.

I am working with Corey Shields, who manages Mozilla’s Systems team, to try and figure out what long-term solutions and short-term mitigations we can put in place to make this less painful. In the mean time, people may want to use or repurpose existing groups for discussions rather than starting another one. (Please don’t go off and create random free mailing lists, at Google, Yahoo or anywhere else – it just makes Mozilla project communication more fragmented and makes it harder for new people to find the group they need.)

(This post may well start a thread about the best way to technically achieve Mozilla’s goals for public discussion. If so, this document will be very relevant; I’m getting my linkage in early :-)

Help Requested: Zimbra and Google Calendar

[Update: This turned up on Planet Mozilla, even though it was only published for a few minutes before being withdrawn, so to prevent 404s, I’m putting it back. But the answer appears to be: other people can see my free/busy information, so the person who reported a problem was probably looking in the wrong place. Zimbra actually works well and how you might expect it to.]

[On the principle of “if there’s no reason for it to be private, it should be public”…]

I use Google Calendar, and I’m very happy with it. The UI is excellent, it supports events starting and ending in different timezones for flights, I can open it in a tab in Thunderbird, and I can share it with my wife and see our calendars overlaid. It’s super. The only thing it lacks is offline support.

However, that means I don’t use Zimbra, the MoCo calendar. And so when people want to schedule meetings with me, they assume I am free all the time :-|.

Can anyone, probably a MoCo employee, tell me how to get Zimbra to give other people my correct free/busy information?

I have managed to import my Google Calendar into Zimbra as an external calendar. When I go to its properties, the checkbox “Exclude this calendar when reporting free/busy times” is unchecked. When I try and arrange a meeting, the Scheduler correctly shows when I am free and when I am busy. And yet, other people who try and arrange meetings involving me tell me that I still look to them like I’m free all the time.

Importantly, I want to solve this without having to share the details of what I am doing when with everyone. I only want to share free/busy information. The “Share Calendar” option looks like it’ll share too much.

Help? :-)